The New Normal

Ian Goldin, Professor of Globalisation and Development at the University of Oxford and author of The Butterfly Defect chats to us about the effects pandemics have on global co-operation, what technological advancements are being used and should be used when dealing with global emergencies and how COVID-19 will change our physical landscapes and impact the relationships younger generations have with elders.  

He discusses how ultimately, times like these are a test of human character while reflecting on Cyril Ramaphosa’s admirable interventions in comparison with other countries;  and he shares which developments he hopes to see in the future as a result of this pandemic. Plus, a special reading shared with Daily Maverick by Booker Prize winner, Arundhati Roy.


Don’t Shoot the Messenger is produced by Haji Mohamed Dawjee and presented by Rebecca Davis with editing by Tevya Turok Shapiro, original theme music by Bernard Kotze and additional support by Kathryn Kotze.

With special thanks to Arundhati Roy

Resources: The Butterfly Defect by Ian Goldin